What audio file formats are compatible?

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Jeff McKeehan

11 Sep, 2020 05:26 PM

Hey, there...
I've scoured the FAQ and release notes and can't seem to find a list of file formats that can be analyzed with this application.
Could you please provide that information? It might be helpful to others who are considering a purchase, as well.

Thanks!
Jef

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by hendrik on 14 Sep, 2020 06:45 PM

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    Hey Jeff,

    sorry for the late answer. You are absolutely right, this should be easily accessible on the website. The list is included in beaTunes built-in Help (screenshot attached).

    Hope this helps,

    -hendrik

  2. 2 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 14 Sep, 2020 09:56 PM

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    Hi, Hendrik!
    Thank you for the information. I appreciate it.

     

    Regards,

    Jeff

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by hendrik on 15 Sep, 2020 06:36 AM

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    You are very welcome.

    -hendrik

  4. hendrik closed this discussion on 15 Sep, 2020 06:36 AM.

  5. AZ Flute Guy re-opened this discussion on 15 Sep, 2020 05:22 PM

  6. 4 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 15 Sep, 2020 05:22 PM

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    Hi, Hendrik!

    Thank you for the assistance.
    I have purchased a license for, and installed, beaTunes.
    After examining the results of the analysis, I find that none of my FLAC files have title or BPM tags.
    I’m still looking around, but the other file formats (mp3, wma and wav) seem to have all the tags they should have.

     

    Are there limitations on FLAC files that might affect certain data from being analyzed (and/or tags being created?)

     

    Regards,
    Jeff McKeehan

  7. Support Staff 5 Posted by hendrik on 15 Sep, 2020 08:47 PM

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    Hi Jeff,

    No—FLAC should work.
    Do you use an iTunes/Music.app or a folder-based library?

    Cheers,

    -hendrik

  8. 6 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 16 Sep, 2020 04:05 AM

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    Hello!

     

    I have a folder-based library. I’ve never actually used iTunes for anything other than to back-up my phone.

    I’ve checked to ensure that the FLAC files are not read-only. And I do see other new tags being written to the file, such as initial key, mood, etc.

    If you need additional information don’t hesitate to let me know.

    Cheers,
    Jeff

  9. Support Staff 7 Posted by hendrik on 16 Sep, 2020 07:17 AM

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    Ok.

    Then FLAC really should not be an issue.

    Can you please select a couple fo FLAC tracks that do not have a BPM value yet, right-click on them and select Analyze. Then enable the BPM analysis task and disable all others and start the analysis.

    After the analysis finishes, please upload your logs by opening the Help menu and selecting Upload Logs.

    Then check in the beaTunes user interface: does it show BPM values for the files in question?

    Thanks,

    -hendrik

  10. 8 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 16 Sep, 2020 04:59 PM

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    Interesting.

    Your instruction indicates that a context-menu option should be available to analyze individual files. I have no such option.
    I then re-installed the app and still, there is no right-click option to analyze a sound file. I don’t see a check box to select that option in the preferences, either.
    I can choose to open a file with beaTunes, however, and I tried that.
    I received an error message. (See attachment).

     

    If you need me to generate error logging, etc. please let me know how that’s done and I’d be happy to send you log files.
    By the way, I’m running Windows 10 Pro, 64bit, Version 2004, Build 19041.508
    My machine is a Dell XPS 8930 with 64 gig of RAM

     

    Regards,
    Jeff

  11. Support Staff 9 Posted by hendrik on 16 Sep, 2020 05:16 PM

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    Hey Jeff,

    On the very left edge of the beaTunes window, you can see four names: Library, Analysis, Inspection and Charts.

    Please click on Library, so that you see all your files.

    Then, if the right-click does not work, please select the files in question and then open the File menu and select Analyze.

    Hope this helps,

    -hendrik

  12. 10 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 16 Sep, 2020 06:58 PM

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    Hi, again!

     

    So, I opened the app and selected two FLAC files. I ran “analyze” on them both and the app generated BPM and key information which was visible within the app. However, it didn’t write the tags to the files.
    I refreshed my folder twice and re-checked, and still no additional tags.
    I also checked to ensure the files weren’t “read only”, and they aren’t.

    On a hunch, I also took a look at other FLAC files that had been processed during the original analysis run (I analyzed everything after installing the app).
    The app shows title, key and bpm info for the FLAC files, even though that data didn’t write to any of the files themselves.

     

    Please advise what next steps you’d like me to take.
    Thanks!
    Jeff

  13. Support Staff 11 Posted by hendrik on 16 Sep, 2020 07:43 PM

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    Please upload your logs, if you haven’t done so already and let me know the names of those two tracks.

    Thanks!

  14. 12 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 16 Sep, 2020 11:05 PM

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    Logs have been uploaded. In the meantime, I ended up with multiple instances of beaTunes every time I clicked “yes” to the Fatal Error dialog box.
    It took me a minute to figure out what was going on. I killed all the instances and then successfully booted the app.

     

    Cheers,
    Jeff

  15. Support Staff 13 Posted by hendrik on 17 Sep, 2020 07:27 AM

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    Thanks for the logs.

    So, I opened the app and selected two FLAC files. I ran “analyze” on them both and the app generated BPM and key information which was visible within the app. However, it didn’t write the tags to the files.

    Do you remember the names of those two files?

  16. 14 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 17 Sep, 2020 06:57 PM

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    Hello, Hendrik!

     

    Yes, I recall the files:

     

    Gloria Gaynor – I Am What I Am (Dance Single).flac
    Gloria Gaynor – I Am What I Am (Extended Edit).flac

     

    Regards,
    Jeff

  17. Support Staff 15 Posted by hendrik on 17 Sep, 2020 09:01 PM

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    Hey Jeff,

    I am sorry, but apparently a lot happened between the analysis of the two files and the log upload. The logs are "rolling", i.e. only the last X events are kept. In other words, I cannot find the analysis in the logs you uploaded.

    Can you please pick two other FLAC tracks that don't have BPMs yet, analyze them and upload the logs right afterwards? Please also tell me the names of the two tracks.

    Thanks so much,

    -hendrik

  18. 16 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 17 Sep, 2020 10:16 PM

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    Okay, I’ve analyzed these two FLAC files:

     

    Pearl Jam – Daughter
    Pearl Jam – Better Man

     

    Logs have been uploaded successfully.

    Thanks for your efforts. 

    Jeff

  19. 17 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 18 Sep, 2020 05:26 AM

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    Hey there….

    Not to distract you from the FLAC issue, but I’ve just discovered that the same thing is happening with WAV files.
    We don’t have to touch that right now, but I thought you’d want to know.

    Take care!
    Jeff

  20. Support Staff 18 Posted by hendrik on 18 Sep, 2020 07:25 AM

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    Hey Jeff,

    weird, there is no error in the logs. How do you determine, whether the BPM is in the file or not?

    Can you please send me one of the two files, so I can check?

    Thanks,

    -hendrik

  21. 19 Posted by jeff on 18 Sep, 2020 04:37 PM

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    Hi there,

    Jeff M ([email blocked]) invited you to edit the folder " beaTunes files " on Dropbox.

    Jeff said:
    "Hi, Hendrik - The FLAC file was too large and either your mail server or mine bounced the email. This might make things easier, anyway. 

For the time being I'm going to add two versions of the same song (Pearl Jam - Better Man). One is FLAC and the other WMA. You can compare what's being written to the files as tags. "

    Go to folder[1]

    Enjoy!
    The Dropbox team

    [1]: https://www.dropbox.com/l/scl/AABhZ7gmhCB6wbEqL537wC1kQeqAGDYzwlI

  22. 20 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 18 Sep, 2020 04:42 PM

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    I tried attaching a FLAC file but it was too large and bounced.
    I just uploaded two versions of the same song to Dropbox. You should have received an email allowing you to download and examine both files (FLAC and WMA) to see the difference in how tags are being written.

    If you didn’t get the email, let me know and go back in and re-send.

    Cheers,
    Jeff

  23. Support Staff 21 Posted by hendrik on 19 Sep, 2020 01:07 PM

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    Thanks for the files.
    And how did you determine that the FLAC file does not contain the BPM? Some third party software?

    Thank you.

  24. 22 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 19 Sep, 2020 05:10 PM

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    Hi, Hendrik……

     

    When I open up the folder containing my music library, BPM is one of the options I’ve chosen to view, along with title, type, length, etc.
    So, there’s a column for BPM.
    When I click on the BPM column to arrange the files in order of BPM, I immediately see all the files that don’t have an entry. And they are all FLAC and WAV files.

     

    Hope that helps.
    -Jeff

  25. Support Staff 23 Posted by hendrik on 19 Sep, 2020 05:28 PM

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    So you are taking advantage of what Windows shows you, right?

  26. 24 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 19 Sep, 2020 05:33 PM

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    Yes, I am.
    And then I re-verified the missing tags by opening individual files and checking the details tab.
    (While also checking to see if the files were “read only”, which they weren’t).

  27. Support Staff 25 Posted by hendrik on 21 Sep, 2020 03:32 PM

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    Hey Jeff,

    the FLAC file you sent to me contains the tempo info under the BPM tag. You can verify this for example with MediaMonkey.

    I did some research and am under the impression that Windows 10 does not support a BPM/Tempo tag for FLAC. The same is probably true for WAV.

    Cheers,

    -hendrik

  28. 26 Posted by Jeff in AZ on 21 Sep, 2020 05:13 PM

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    Hi, Hendrik.

    I do appreciate all the time you’ve put into this. Thank you.

    So, here’s what I see when looking at FLAC and WAV files:
    Under the “Content” heading in Details, there is a BPM field for FLAC files. I can write to the field manually, which leads me to believe that the app should be able to write to the field, as well.
    Looking at WAV files, however, there is no BPM field, which tells me we all might be out of luck with that category.

    So, perhaps the issue is specific to FLAC files?
    Based strictly on my personal experience with FLAC (I’m a former DJ and still a musician who does video/audio editing), the format is very metadata-friendly and supports tagging.

    Of course, it’s up to you whether or not to continue pursuing the issue. No harm, no foul. I realize you probably have a lot of other things on your plate.
    It might be helpful to others to include a disclaimer about the exceptions to BPM tagging. For DJs it’s often the most important piece of information after the song itself.

     

    Take care and stay safe. If you decide to continue looking into this, don’t hesitate to drop me a line. I’m even happy to try beta builds if you end up tweaking the code.

     

    Cheers!
    Jeff

  29. Support Staff 27 Posted by hendrik on 22 Sep, 2020 08:50 AM

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    Thanks! I wasn't aware that "Beat-per-minute" is part of the FLAC property window.

    Quick question:

    When you enter some BPM value for a FLAC file there, apply the change and close the window. Do you still see that value when you re-open the properties window?

  30. 28 Posted by AZ Flute Guy on 22 Sep, 2020 04:37 PM

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    Well, I’ll be damned.
    I pulled up the properties and took a screenshot. No BPM.
    For fun I added both key and BPM info (just random, not necessarily accurate), clicked “apply” and then closed the file.
    I then re-opened the file and voilà: no tags in those two fields.

    Yet, the app was able to write tags to the file for composer, mood, etc.

    Scratching my head on this one. LOL

  31. Support Staff 29 Posted by hendrik on 22 Sep, 2020 04:55 PM

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    Scratching my head on this one. LOL

    Looks like Windows is only pretending to read/write beats-per-minute for FLAC files.

  32. 30 Posted by Jeff in AZ on 22 Sep, 2020 05:02 PM

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    Hendrik, you’ve been great about all of this.
    Thank you for the support and considerable time you’ve likely put into this.
    I can’t think of anything else I could ask you to do, other than include information in the literature about the BPM/FLAC issue.

     

    Take care and have a wonderful rest of the week.

    Jeff

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