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Adding an "*Any* of the following are true" or "*All* of the following are true" sub-rule in creating a Matchlist?

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decommere.alexander

12 Nov, 2021 03:02 PM

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Hi Hendrik

I was wondering, in beaTunes, is it possible to add an "Any of the
following are true" or "All of the following are true" sub-rule in
creating a Matchlist?

It is possible in iTunes, but I can't figure it out for beaTunes:
[image: Screenshot 2021-11-12 at 11.29.45.jpg] [image: Screenshot 2021-11-12 at 11.31.42.jpg] The reason I'm asking is that I would like to be able to make a ruleset
that includes more than one key as a filter while choosing "Similar color
only".

Based on the Open Key Notation
https://www.beatunes.com/en/open-key-notation.html explained on the
beaTunes website, I think it would be an amazing option if you could choose
"Harmonic key" as a filter and it would pick songs with keys harmonic to the seed song(s), based on the Open Key Notation system.

Then I could select "Similar color only" as the ruleset and "Harmonic key"
as a filter, resulting in a list of songs that have similar colors to the
seed song as well as keys harmonic to the key song.

Right now, I cannot pick more than one key as a filter, because all the
filters fall under the "All of the following rules are true" option.
Choosing two keys therefore yields zero results. Adding a sub-filter "Any
of the following rules are true" would fix the problem, because then I
could say: make a rule set that has "Max Richter" as artist ("All") + that
has "Any" of these keys.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

If there's a simple solution to this that I've not encountered, please
enlighten me. Otherwise, thanks for bearing with me and taking this
feedback into account.

Sincerely
Alexander
Belgium

Alexander Decommere

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1. Support Staff 1 Posted by hendrik on 12 Nov, 2021 03:05 PM

   

   Hi Alexander,

   I understand the request, but can only offer you a workaround:

   • create a playlist with your first filter criterion (artist = Max Richter)
   • then create a matchlist with ANY and whatever keys you want and that first playlist as source

   Hope this helps,

   -hendrik

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2. 2 Posted by decommere.alexa... on 13 Nov, 2021 12:00 PM

   

   Hi Hendrik

   Thanks for getting back to me. That workaround will work indeed.

   I found yet another workaround, maybe:

   I added a custom ruleset that has only "Similar Color" and "Matching Key",
   both set to 5.
   This allows me to choose a seed song and have both rules (color and key)
   applied to the song.
   Could you elaborate on this method? Should I add "Similar timbre" to that
   as well?

   Do you think in the near future there will be an option to add sub-rules to
   the ruleset, so we can alternate between "All"-rules and "Any"-rules within
   a single Matchlist?

   Thank you.

   Sincerely
   Alexander
   Belgium

   *Alexander Decommere*

   0032 484 02 45 40

    Watch my award winning short film *This No Land
   <https://alexanderdecommere.weebly.com/>*

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3. Support Staff 3 Posted by hendrik on 13 Nov, 2021 12:09 PM

   

   Hey Alexander,

   yes, using a "Matching Key" rule implements a bunch of harmonic mixing rules. It essentially does what you have in mind. Adding "Color" will also favor tracks that sound similar to the seed track, i.e. have a simile instrumentation and rhythm structure. Do not add "Timbre", if you already have "Color", it won't make things better. "Timbre" is basically "Color" without the rhythmic/tempo information.

   Do you think in the near future there will be an option to add sub-rules to the ruleset, so we can alternate between "All"-rules and "Any"-rules within
   a single Matchlist?

   No, I'm sorry, but there are quite a few other things on my way too long todo lists that come first.

   Have a great weekend!

   -hendrik

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4. 4 Posted by decommere.alexa... on 13 Nov, 2021 12:21 PM

   

   Thank you Hendrik.
   Have a great weekend yourself and good luck with your to do list.
   We all know it will only make this wonderful software even better.
   Cheers
   Alexander

   *Alexander Decommere*

   0032 484 02 45 40

    Watch my award winning short film *This No Land
   <https://alexanderdecommere.weebly.com/>*

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5. 5 Posted by Patch on 26 Nov, 2021 01:05 PM

   

   Hey Alexander - how far have you taken these matchlists for Harmonic Mixing?

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6. 6 Posted by decommere.alexa... on 26 Nov, 2021 01:50 PM

   

   Hi there

   I use it all the time.

   So now I use a custom made ruleset that looks like this:
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   I use a favorite song as a seed and then I let beaTunes use above ruleset +
   I add a Genre-filter and/or a Year-filter. This yields quite amazing
   playlists in which I (re)discover songs in my iTunes that really match with
   the seed song.

   As I mentioned to Hendrik before, it would be even better if we were able
   to add sub-filters, so we can mix ALL-rules with ANY-rules. I'm sure that's
   complicated, but not impossible. iTunes does it.

   It would be completely mind blowing if beaTunes offered a filter called
   "Harmonic Key" that would select only songs with an *identical or
   compatible Key* to the seed song(s). Now my custom ruleset does this for
   me. But a filter that is based on the *Open Key Notation* system might work
   better? It's just a suggestion.

   If you have any suggestions for me, to further explore or improve upon my
   usage of beaTunes, then please let me know.

   Sincerely
   Alexander

   *Alexander Decommere*

   0032 484 02 45 40

    Watch my award winning short film *This No Land
   <https://alexanderdecommere.weebly.com/>*

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