My library is folder based. My first guess was indeed that
everything was exported, but besides default datas (id, BPM, gain
replay...), the only new info I see is the key in a comment column.
If the id3 tag contains everything, I'll have to search in MM what
is it I do wrong... I'll let a note here before I close the post if
I find anything useful for other users!
PS: I already knew that the color is not embeded in id3 tags. I
always search a bit by myself before I ask! ;-) So given that I ask
a lot these days, you can assume that I read a lot! :-) I
remembered that the color of each song is relative to the whole
library, so it may change every time we add or remove songs. I try
to be a good student! :-D
hendrik on 08 Feb, 2015 12:45 PM
If the id3 tag contains everything, I'll have to search in MM
what is it I do wrong...
Perhaps you need to re-scan in MM after beaTunes analysis?
I always search a bit by myself before I ask! ;-)
Always appreciated! :-)
So given that I ask a lot these days, you can assume that I read
a lot! :-) I remembered that the color of each song is relative to
the whole library, so it may change every time we add or remove
But it does not hurt to ask! And I don't mind. Here's why:
In version 4 the color concept has changed somewhat compared to
previous versions. One of the biggest changes is, that the
color is not relative to your library anymore.
This makes is it feasible to actually embed the color value into
the files as well. And beaTunes 4 does this using a regular
TXXX id3 frame named beaTunes_COLOR and
uses an RGB triplet in hex as value (e.g. FFFFFF is white).
I have no idea how MM displays TXXX frames or
whether it displays them at all (even though they are part of the
regular spec, most apps don't display stuff like it). But it's in
I didn't know the changes about the color! It seems there still
are posts I haven't read yet! :-)
I will see tonight what is exported in Media Monkey and what is
not. My guess is that there won't be much except tempo and
I discovered a checkbox in MM to choose if I want the date of
the files to be changed whenever I change something in the songs
(volume levelling, album cover...). So, with a new date, BT will
always know there is something to rescan.
I think MM always rescan every song when I ask it to,
but I would have to put a test to be sure, like... give a silly
title to a song in BT and check if the song kept the silly title in
MM. I will give you news about it soon!
I ran some tests between BeaTunes and MediaMonkey. I noticed
that the "test" title I gave for a song in BT was changed in MM
too. Good. Check! But the tempos analyzed in BT are not the ones in
MM, and I didn't find any color tag either. OK, maybe I just didn't
recognized them, since I forgot that they were in codes! I will
have to confirm this information...
In the other way, BT seems to import changes made in MM (titles,
album covers) when I synchronize. Good. Check! I think
that the volume level or gain replay that I changed in MM was
changed in BT too (by ear), but I don't understand why the values
analyzed in each software are so different from each other. Anyway,
since MediaMonkey is the player, I will let it take care of this
I checked once more, and I confirm: many datas analyzed in
Beatunes don't appear in MediaMonkey. The most annoying is the BPM
that I have to enter or correct myself for many songs, since they
are missing or wrong.
There is a nice feature in MM that is "Volume Leveling". It
allows us to level the volume as if all the songs came from the
same album. So, even with a device or player that doesn't support
gain playback, the songs will play at a relatively steady loudness.
With volume leveling, all songs now have their gain playback
between -0,9 and +0,9 (for my 95dB setting). But in Beatunes, these
changes are not shown when the gain playback is analyzed. There are
big differences between values that were all supposed to be about
the same. Honestly, I don't mind, because it is MM that I want to
play at the right volume. I just thought it would interest you to
know about it!
hendrik on 19 Mar, 2015 08:14 AM
The most annoying is the BPM that I have to enter or correct
myself for many songs, since they are missing or wrong.
Really? MM does not show BPM calculated by beaTunes... that's
odd, as it is such a standard field.
But in Beatunes, these changes are not shown when the gain
playback is analyzed.
I'm not entirely certain I understand.
Analyzed by whom?
By beaTunes? Well, beaTunes analysis is about computing values...
so it would not show MM values but overwrite them.
There are big differences between values that were all supposed
to be about the same.
beaTunes can compute two different normalization values:
Track Replay Gain
Album Replay Gain
You mention "songs came from the same album" — so the
feature you mention corresponds to "Album Replay Gain" in
So to compare, you'd have to select the songs from an album,
click Analyze and select the ReplayGain Task with
Album ReplayGain turned on. Adjust the target level.
Run the analysis and then enable the Album Replay Gain
column in the main table view. Those are the values probably
corresponding to what you see in MM.
Are they much different?
According to their docs,
beaTunes and MM use the same algorithm (Replay Gain).
Here are some explanations about the volume and gain
After a volume leveling in MediaMonkey, the original replay gain
is replaced by a new one, as close as possible to the target level.
We can chose if we want to level the album volume as a whole or
each song individually. Since I use this feature for party lists, I
want the songs to be at the same volume, no matter their album. But
I would be more careful with albums like "The Wall"!
When I listen to my lists, I alway enable Track Replay Gain to
complete the "leveled" feeling.
I thought the new Replay Gain values, set by MM volume leveling,
were embeded somewhere with the songs, so Beatunes would pick them
when synchronizing. If it were so, when BT analyzes the Track
Replay Gain, the songs would all have similar gain values, since
they were leveled. But they show big differences (as if they still
had their original values?). This is what I don't understand... I'm
afraid the new values are not imbeded, or I don't proceed correctly
to export them!
I will ask on the MM forum if there is an explanation to this
mystery, but unfortunately, they don't have any
"Super-Awesome-Hendrick" to rescue the damsels in distress! :-)
Anybody answers any question to the best of their knowledge, and
nobody has any authority to officially settle a problem.
If I get any interesting information, I'll keep you posted!
Thank you for all the valuable time you give to us, users!