tag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:/discussions/problems/62070-fetching-wrong-isrcbeaTunes: Discussion 2021-04-10T15:44:06Ztag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-25T09:18:36Z2021-03-25T09:18:36ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>A more extreme example, where they don't resemble anything, at all musical or artist nor title wise:</p>
<p>local track:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ZyRbb20-4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ZyRbb20-4</a></p>
<p>but fetched isrc of:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gc3MF3EStc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gc3MF3EStc</a></p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-25T09:32:10Z2021-03-25T09:32:10ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>This next example is so different musical, that I have no clue how it can fetch this, when I assume its using acousticID or some sorts, to detect it:</p>
<p>local track:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2N99BwVmXw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2N99BwVmXw</a></p>
<p>fetches ISRC of:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTdZAScPbg">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTdZAScPbg</a></p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-25T09:42:06Z2021-03-25T09:42:06ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>I'll probably find more faulty fetched ISRCs, but I'm getting annoyed.<br>
One last example, since then u should have an idea.</p>
<p>local track:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBgvAnVz6Q">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBgvAnVz6Q</a></p>
<p>fetched ISRC of:<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e24XrtXj-k0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e24XrtXj-k0</a></p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-25T21:45:48Z2021-03-25T21:45:48ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>10 examples packed in a zip to review:<br>
<a href="https://mega.nz/file/9B4kjKqZ#layKjxg_zuFKH0ocfA8NS5byKMW25pdkOhvJXA7rOno">https://mega.nz/file/9B4kjKqZ#layKjxg_zuFKH0ocfA8NS5byKMW25pdkOhvJX...</a></p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-26T17:55:03Z2021-03-26T17:55:03ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Hey,</p>
<p>the ISRCs in beaTunes are fetched from the central database, which is fed by MusicBrainz and user data. Neither is necessarily 100% correct, though MusicBrainz data certainly has the higher quality.</p>
<p>That said—and I am aware that this does not cover all the cases you mention—I believe different ISRCs may be assigned to multiple acoustically identical tracks, if they have been released in multiple years or on multiple albums. So forcing lookup via fingerprint is probably a bad idea.</p>
<p>Hope this sheds some light on things,</p>
<p>-hendrik</p></div>hendriktag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-27T11:36:23Z2021-03-27T11:39:10ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Forcing lookup via fingerprint.... is that like AcousticID, like Shazam sort of?</p>
<p>If I look the tracks up at MusicBrainz:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>013 - AC_DC - You Shook Me All Night Long.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC AUAP08000050.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/AUAP08000050">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/AUAP08000050</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=AUAP08000050&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=AUAP08000050&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>AC/DC - Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>92 - Dennis Ferrer Hey Hey (Luke Pompey Remix).mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC USY6S0900007.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USY6S0900007">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USY6S0900007</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USY6S0900007&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USY6S0900007&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Dennis Ferrer - Hey Hey (Df's Attention Vocal Mix)</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>132 - Breakbeat Era - Bullitproof.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC GBBKS9900042.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBBKS9900042">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBBKS9900042</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=GBBKS9900042&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=GBBKS9900042&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Basement Jaxx - Being With U</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>458 - Incident - Hindoo (Original Mix).mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC NLCK41012403.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/NLCK41012403">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/NLCK41012403</a> it shows it's not in use. While it is at <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=NLCK41012403&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=NLCK41012403&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Incident - Tones Of Persistence</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>500 - Kanye West - Gold Digger.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC USUM70502664.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70502664">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70502664</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USUM70502664&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USUM70502664&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Kanye West - Wake Up Mr. West</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>538 - Leftfield - Inspection (Check One) (Remastered).mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC BEU010001065.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/BEU010001065">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/BEU010001065</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=BEU010001065&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=BEU010001065&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Hooverphonic - Everytime We Live Together We Die A Bit More</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>542 - Leftfield - Storm 3000 (Remastered).mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC BEU010001066.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/BEU010001066">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/BEU010001066</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=BEU010001066&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=BEU010001066&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Hooverphonic - Out Of Sight</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>549 - Lewis B - Pinball.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC GBE281200206.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBE281200206">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBE281200206</a> it shows it's not in use. While it is at <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=GBE281200206&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=GBE281200206&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Audialist - Dead</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>829 - Snoop Dogg - Who Am I (What's My Name)_.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC USKO10403599.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USKO10403599">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USKO10403599</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USKO10403599&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USKO10403599&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Snoop Doggy Dogg - Ain't No Fun</em> instead.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>978 - Weezer - Hash Pipe.mp3 beaTunes fetches ISRC USUM70811232.<br>
Looking that up at <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70811232">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70811232</a><br>
and also <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USUM70811232&tab=lookup&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?isrcCode=USUM70811232&tab...</a><br>
It's the track <em>Weezer - Pork And Beans</em> instead.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Now where do those differences come from?<br>
If beaTunes would fetch them from MusicBrainz, I think they should have the following ISRC instead:</p>
<ul>
<li>013 - AC_DC - You Shook Me All Night Long.mp3 = <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USSM10905061">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USSM10905061</a></li>
<li>92 - Dennis Ferrer Hey Hey (Luke Pompey Remix).mp3 = non-official release, so N/A</li>
<li>132 - Breakbeat Era - Bullitproof.mp3 = <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Breakbeat%20Era&trackTitle=Bullitproof&tab=search&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Breakbeat%20Era&am...</a> but those are simply N/A at MusicBrainz.</li>
<li>458 - Incident - Hindoo (Original Mix).mp3 = N/A</li>
<li>500 - Kanye West - Gold Digger.mp3 = <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70500143">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USUM70500143</a></li>
<li>538 - Leftfield - Inspection (Check One) (Remastered).mp3 = <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Leftfield&trackTitle=Inspection%20(Check%20One)%20(Remastered)&tab=search&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Leftfield&trac...</a> but those are simply N/A at MusicBrainz.</li>
<li>542 - Leftfield - Storm 3000 (Remastered).mp3 = <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBARL1700455">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/GBARL1700455</a></li>
<li>549 - Lewis B - Pinball.mp3 = <a href="https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Lewis%20B&trackTitle=Pinball&tab=search&showReleases=0&start=0&number=10">https://isrcsearch.ifpi.org/#!/search?artistName=Lewis%20B&trac...</a> but those are simply N/A at MusicBrainz.</li>
<li>829 - Snoop Dogg - Who Am I (What's My Name)_.mp3 = <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USIR19300826">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USIR19300826</a></li>
<li>978 - Weezer - Hash Pipe.mp3 = <a href="https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USIR10110319">https://musicbrainz.org/isrc/USIR10110319</a></li>
</ul></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-27T12:27:54Z2021-03-27T12:27:54ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><blockquote>
<p>Forcing lookup via fingerprint.... is that like AcousticID, like Shazam sort of?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes. And it only makes sense, when you have really bad or missing textual metadata.</p></div>hendriktag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-28T10:26:55Z2021-03-28T10:26:55ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Ahh, thanks for clarifying that part!<br>
Good to know, there's no need to use fingerprint option, when there are tags that are supposedly correct inside the metadata, makes sense.<br>
Consider the issue fixed.</p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-28T11:04:14Z2021-03-28T11:04:14ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Actually, after some digging, I have found some issues, I’d like to address. I‘ll write more later.</p></div>hendriktag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-03-28T12:19:57Z2021-03-28T12:19:57ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Ok, curious, let me know what you found out when possible.</p></div>infotag:help.beatunes.com,2009-07-24:Comment/491064812021-04-10T15:44:05Z2021-04-10T15:44:05ZFetching wrong ISRC<div><p>Hey,</p>
<p>sorry for not answering for so long.</p>
<p>So first of all, beaTunes <em>did not</em> use Musicbrainz as reference for ISRCs. Also, ISRCs are unique <em>per recording</em>, i.e. they do not depend on the <em>release</em> (i.e. the album, CD, compilation etc.). Apologies for misstating this earlier.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I have built a mechanism that <em>does</em> update the entries in the central beaTunes database with data from Musicbrainz. This means that starting now, beaTunes <em>may actually</em> use ISRCs from Musicbrainz. I am using "may actually" for a reason. The central beaTunes database consolidates a lot of user data with reference data from Musicbrainz and Discogs. It does this asynchronously, as data is requested from users. This means that some tracks may already be updated, but others are still in the update queue. To make sure that all relevant tracks are eventually updated, I have added them manually to the processing queue. But please understand that this may take a while (and frankly I cannot say how long—more popular tracks will be updated faster than rare tracks).</p>
<p>Regarding lookup via acoustic fingerprint: What I said earlier is not wrong. Whenever you have halfway decent metadata (artist, title, album), <em>do not</em> force the lookup via fingerprint. This increases your chance of getting correct information about your particular version of a track.</p>
<p>Hope this sheds some light on things.</p>
<p>Have a great weekend,</p>
<p>-hendrik</p></div>hendrik